Manifesting $30K Months Using Manifestation & Human Design with Kelsey Carter

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About the episode:

I’m so excited to have Kelsey Carter, The Dreamscape Co. Chief Femmepire Officer, on the show today. Kelsey is an alum of the Money Manifestation Movement and The Soulful Six Figure Mastermind and it’s been an honor watching her grow and really embody her role as a master manifester. Kesley’s manifestation practice is unique because she uses Human Design to support her beliefs and actions. This is something that I’m so interested in myself because I think there’s so many shifts you can experience when you learn your own Human Design and operate from that knowledge. Kelsey has completely overhauled her relationship with money which led to her creating $30K months and believing that any goal she sets for herself is inevitable. We’ve talked a lot about tapping into “it is done” energy on the podcast lately, and Kelsey is another great example of what this can look like.

Topics discussed:

  • Kelsey’s journey of making the shift from manifestation coaching to focusing more on human design and how this was a major catalyst of growth for her business
  • Believing manifestation is real and allowing yourself to go all in and Kelsey’s own unique process for manifestation
  • Some of the things, especially financially, that Kelsey has created since going all in on her business
  • What Kelsey practices when she isn’t seeing evidence of the success of her manifestation
  • How Kelsey uses “delusional energy” and believing she’s a match to her goal to overcome current circumstances
  • The different ways Kelsey’s relationship with money has evolved just in these past couple years
  • Practices that Jamie has leaned on to support the inner work piece of healing her relationship with money
  • How Kelsey brings Human Design into manifestation and how she uses it in her business
  • More about the different Human Design types and how you can use this information to be a better business owner

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About Kelsey:

Kelsey is a brand strategist and business coach and uses human design to create the most resonant, magnetic brands for clients.

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Jamie: [00:00:00] Oh my goodness, you guys, I have someone I’ve been wanting to have on the podcast since day one. I have the amazing Kelsey Carter here, who is a brand strategist, business coach, and human design manifestation goddess. And we are just going to talk. All things manifestation, business growth, human design, all that fun stuff today.
So welcome Kelsey. Thank you for being here. And if you could just let us know a little bit more about you, I did like a brief info, but I’d love for the listeners to know how you work with
Kelsey: people. Yes, thank you so much for having me. I’m so excited. I am a brand strategist and business coach, and I use human design as my main tool to help people create really magnetic and really resonant brands and businesses based off of their [00:01:00] literal energy.
Because human design is essentially a map to someone’s personal energy and it translates really, really beautifully into a brand and
Jamie: business plan. So good. Yes, I can personally attest to that. Not that I have done like a deep dive with Kelsey, although I should. But ever since I learned about my human design, I feel like it’s just, I’ve infused it so much into my brand, into my business and it’s helped so much.
So I’m super excited to talk with you more about it and like how the listeners can do that. But first I want to back up a little bit because Kelsey was in my first round of the Soulful Six Figure Mastermind. Then did some work with me around money and the money manifestation movement. And then did another round in the mastermind and it has been absolutely incredible being a witness to your growth, being a witness to your brand’s growth and how that’s evolved.
And [00:02:00] I would love to take our listeners back kind of through that journey of how you became a human design coach. Cause when we first started working together, you were doing more manifestation stuff. You didn’t have the human design piece in there quite yet. Um, and I even remember, and I think this will be so helpful for some people that like the first round of the mastermind that you did, your brand didn’t grow that much, your business didn’t grow that much.
And then right after the mastermind, you sent me a message and it was like, boom, like your business just took off. So I would love to hear how that journey evolved and how you found this, if you’re open to sharing.
Kelsey: Ooh, yeah, that’s such a good question. And thank you for asking. So. The past several years have been such a blur.
So let’s see if I can remember clearly, but when I joined your first round of your mastermind, I had a local business with my husband. Um, I think that’s when that was happening. [00:03:00] And so I had gotten my first taste of business and our business was doing really well, and that was just like. You know, once you get like initiated into the business world and it’s for you, you just cannot, like, there’s no other option.
But the business itself, it was like catering and food based. Yeah, he’s a chef. Um, and so I was doing like catering management and things like that. And it just wasn’t the work that I wanted to do. And then I started hearing you basically say, like, you can do what you want. Like you can have success doing what you want to do.
And I was like, really? So that’s when I started to explore, like, well, what would that look like? And just playing with different ideas and. I would sit out on my porch in the evenings, like making these fake websites. And so I knew I wanted like a soul aligned, like heart led business, but I didn’t have that yet.
I didn’t know it would be, but I was taking action. Like kind of, I wasn’t really being visible, but I was doing things. Um, So then it, you know, like [00:04:00] slowly but surely, like little things at a time, I started showing up online. I learned the skill of making websites because I was making websites by like trying on all these different brands and businesses.
And then the human design part came into it because First of all, I’m a projector in the human design system, and we can dive more into that in a little bit just for context and clarity for the people listening, but my strategy for life is to wait for the invitation. And so I kept getting these invitations from people to talk about human design.
And so I did. I was like, Oh, okay. Like, I don’t really, I didn’t, me personally, I didn’t think it would be like as big as it was. And so I started following those invitations from people to talk about human design a little bit more and then all of a sudden it was like, wow, that was right. Like, this works, which I already knew, but it was just extra validation.
So to answer your question, simply, I followed my human design strategy, which is the whole point of all of it. And it really did [00:05:00] just start to flow after that. Oh
Jamie: my gosh. Yes. I’m curious, because I don’t think I’ve asked you this, but the, for the first round of the mastermind, as you were trying to figure out and you were leaning into like, what is it that I want to do? If I can do business the way that I want to, what is that? What, I’m curious, what kind of internal work were you doing?
Do you feel like at that time you were laying the foundation for this to grow? Or how did that transpire? And that, like, it felt like it just kind of took off soon after.
Kelsey: Yeah, great question. I would say that the work that I was really doing, it definitely was the groundwork, the internal work. And it was actually Working on believing that manifestation was real, that I could actually create something from manifestation because there is such a [00:06:00] skeptical part of my brain that didn’t believe it and that was scared to go all in on something that might not even be real.
So that was like the work that really allowed it to take off was just believing in the manifestation process in the first place. Yes.
Jamie: Yes. And now you are a wholehearted believer, right? I mean, it only because I see you manifesting left and right.
Kelsey: Yes. Yeah. The sky could open up. Yes. The sky could open up and this big talking head could tell me manifestation is not real and I wouldn’t believe it. Like there is nothing in this life that will ever convince me that it’s not
Jamie: real.
Yes. Oh, my gosh. So good. And actually, I think that is a thought and a belief that we really do need to lean into and step into even the possibility of it being real in order for us to go all in on it. Right? Um, because I, I have the same exact thing. And I remember even through [00:07:00] whenever I was studying at the University of Santa Monica.
Um, you know, a big part of me was I wasn’t getting like, in terms of business, my business growth wasn’t there yet. So there was a part of me that was in doubt. But I was like, I remember leaning into what if this stuff just works? Like, what if I could trust it? And it was whenever I started leaning into Oh, what if I can just trust this?
It was like, things really opened up for me. So I love that so much. And that’s a good thought. Manifestation is real. So with that, I always like, you know that I teach there’s not one way to manifest. It’s not like a one, two, three steps. Of course, I give tons of different steps. I have the soulful manifestation process.
I teach tons of different ways of practicing it within the money manifestation movement and within the soulful six figure mastermind. But I always like people to find their own unique process, right? What works for them, what it is that [00:08:00] resonates for them. So I would love to hear Kelsey, what would you say your manifestation process is?
Oh,
Kelsey: another good question. You’re just full of good questions today. Um, so it definitely has changed, I would say, as I’ve just gotten to the next levels of manifestation. So at first it started from this place of like, I struggle and like desperation and like need, like I truly needed to be able to create money to pay bills and not get into credit card debt and like stuff like that.
So it felt really urgent. Um, and I’m thankful for that now, like with hindsight, you know, I wouldn’t necessarily Teach somebody to do it like that. But it was like, I can see back. I could see how it created so much fuel for me. Like there was so much motivation every single day to like wake up and really commit to it and take the actions because there did feel like there are really big stakes involved.
And then it got to the [00:09:00] point where I like learned that delusion was like a really powerful frequency for me. Like. being delusional, just completely make making stuff up worked really well because I was out of struggle mode. So like, I could pretend like there was 200, 000 in my bank account. And that was safe for me, where I like a year before that it wouldn’t have been because I probably would have like, you know, gotten my account overdrawn or something like that, if that makes sense.
Um, but now I’m more in the place of like, It’s just done, like it’s already done, and I feel like there is a sense of delusion, but it’s not as intentional, like it’s just kind of programmed in there, so it feels a lot more natural now, it just feels a lot more, um, inevitable, like I know it’s inevitable now, where before I used to have to convince myself that it was inevitable.
Jamie: Yes. Yes. Oh my goodness. Are you open to sharing what you’ve created just in the past? What is it? Two, three years [00:10:00] in terms of your business and how it’s grown with using using human design taking action?
Kelsey: Yeah, for sure. Um, it has been an incredible ride. It’s been so fun. I, I like to use money as like my scorekeeper because I really like money and I’ve done a lot of like sacred work around it to where money is this, um, basically indicator of how, how much I’ve gone after my goals and dreams and how much like I put value into the world.
Um, and I always like to kind of. Preface with that because money, you know, as you know, you’re the expert money can mean different things to different people. But for me, it means like creative pursuit. So when I first started my business, like this business that I’m currently in at the end of 2021, um, That was like at the very end of the year, I wasn’t all in, you know, kind of got cold feet, that kind of thing.
But then in 2022, I went all in, like all in. And I ended that year with six [00:11:00] figures, six figure year. I think it was like 112, 122, something like that in revenue. And that was incredible. Like showed up online, got clients, just the such a whirlwind. And then 2023, we ended with 285, 000 for the year. Which was massive because my goal was 250.
Um, and I really wanted to create consistency. That was something that felt really, really important to be able to, to prove to myself, right? That it was like possible to do that. And so I had a goal of creating consistent 30, 000 months. And so I hit a 30k month in April of last year and then I was kind of fluctuating like I had a 10k month after that and then I had like another 30k but it was, it was going back and forth.
But then I think it was September. I got September, October, and November were all 30 K plus months in a row, which was my huge, huge, huge goal, like the impossible [00:12:00] dream. And I did it. So that was really, really cool. Just learning how to basically like manifest really specifically, like really nuanced things, not just.
Six figures, but like in the way that I wanted to. And so that felt really powerful and really, really cool to be able to, to get so clear on what I wanted and then make it happen.
Jamie: Yes. Oh my. And that was actually your project in the soulful six figure mastermind. Last round was to have consistent 30 K months, right?
Kelsey: Yes. Yes, exactly. Exactly. And when I said it, I might as well have been saying like consistent. Yeah. And, um, now that’s like, uh, my, my like energetic default, like it just happens. Not that I’m, you know, just laying on the couch all day. I’m still taking action and things like that, but it really, like, I like feel like I programmed that into my cellular memory.
Like, so now that’s the consistent thing. And that feels. And [00:13:00] like, I don’t even have words for how good that feels. Gosh,
Jamie: just to think like your past self one year ago, if you had known that was just like, Oh, that’s my normal, right? Like what you would have thought. That is amazing. So I have some, I want to ask you Kelsey, like, cause you said, Oh, like that was my goal.
That was, it felt impossible. I hit it one month and then the next month I hit 10 K. What are some of the practices, if it’s a practice or a mindset or something that works for you, if you have a goal, but you’re not reaching it, or you’re not seeing evidence of it in the moment or that month. Is there something you do or a mindset that helps you move forward towards it without getting defeated, without giving up and just continuing to stay committed to, I want to make 30k my energetic state, right?
And I just want that to be consistent. How, how do you, yeah, how do you work with that whenever [00:14:00] like you’re not seeing evidence?
Kelsey: Yes, so the first thing is, I, I need to make sure that I really actually want it that it’s not just like some arbitrary goal that I just said, which I’ve done, you know, I like having goals.
You’ve coached me on this before. I was like, I don’t have a goal that I like right now. But like, that has to be a big part of it. Like, that’s kind of my, okay, like, we’re on like, it’s time. Um, and then after that, I’ve tried like with different actual Practices and routines and things like that. And I can’t keep up with like the doing part.
So what I started to do is I realized, wait, like if I’m just driving in the car, I can think about my goal. Like I can align to it. So I guess alignment, like consistent 24 seven alignment is. The thing for me that I have to like do in order to bring it in. So what I mean by that is like continually thinking about, Oh my gosh, like I did it.
I hit it. Like, so whatever that feels like finding out that it [00:15:00] happened or, you know, just going forward in time into that place, but doing it consistently. So like, I’ll sit down on the floor in the morning for two minutes and like get myself intentionally into that alignment space. But then it’s like constantly, that’s all I think about, or I try.
It’s just constantly reminding myself, like, wait, what am I thinking about right now? What am I visualizing? What am I feeling? Um, and so I’ve learned how to do it where it’s like this moving practice just all day long, not to say that I’m perfect with it or anything like that. Like I definitely. I feel out of alignment, but what I like to do with like feeling a feeling for two minutes in the morning, and then I try to do it in the evening as well, is it like starts to create this default feeling in my body.
So then I’ll notice if I’m feeling like. doubtful or if I’m feeling like hopeless because I’m like this feels awful and it’s like this really It basically feels like I exercise this emotion And so when a different emotion shows up i’m [00:16:00] like wait that feels weird. I feel weird what’s going on and i’m like Oh, i’m out of alignment with my goal.
So that’s um kind of my my process,
Jamie: I guess Oh my gosh. I love that. That’s like the, we call it in the movement. We call it the it is done process, right? Where it’s not like what Kelsey’s referring to. She’s not like, I want it. I want it. Not in a lining of like, I want 30, 000. I want it. It’s not coming from this needy energy.
She’s actually, when she’s saying and correct me if I’m wrong, but it sounds like what you’re saying is you actually connecting to the energy of it. It’s you connecting to the version of you who already has it. Feeling as if it’s done. Yes. Right. Is that what you’re saying? Yes. Okay. Yes, exactly. Awesome. So good.
Exactly. And like that’s what’s awesome. You do that two minutes a day and you start memorizing that emotion and also your subconscious starts to memorize it, right? Yeah. And so there’s something so powerful about memorizing the emotion of something being done that I feel like the [00:17:00] universe starts giving us the little steps.
That’s next step. The next step to actually getting there, but so many of us just stay in this like wanting energy too much of like striving for it or wanting it versus like what would it actually feel like to have it. Let’s try that on. Let’s like memorize that emotion. And like you said, Kelsey, then you know, when you’re out of alignment, do you feel like it’s harder to do that whenever you Have a month that like you’re like, oh, or have had a month where it wasn’t looking like you were gonna hit it Or are you pretty like?
Practiced at this point to where even if you’re not hitting it you can still get into that emotion
Kelsey: Yeah, that’s such a good question. So I think at this point, I’m pretty I’m really good at getting into the emotion I’m now at the point in my manifestation journey where I don’t have to convince myself that it’s real or that it might happen um But what I do is basically [00:18:00] no matter what shows up, if it’s good, if it’s bad, if it’s nothing, I tell myself, oh my gosh, this means I’m a match to this goal.
So like, for instance, if my husband and I get in a fight, I’m like, Oh my gosh, I’m a match to this. Like I’m learning how to be a match to this. And so no matter what, and I guess that’s more of like that delusional energy, right? Where I’ve just, I, I’ve now really stepped into this role where I get to decide whatever any kind of result means for me.
And I make it mean I’m a match to this. Oh my gosh, I’m doing it. Like I’m a match to this. I’ve done my job. Perfect. Like I’m a match to this. So regardless, if there’s no evidence, if there’s a lot of evidence, if it’s negative evidence, great, I’m a match to this. Perfect. I want it. Yes, I want it.
Jamie: Yes. Okay. So it’s almost like you, and this is also a very similar practice to what I do, but it’s like, okay, circumstances aside, right?
Like sit, like what it actually looks like aside, put that to the side, but being [00:19:00] willing to get into and be delusional as you call it, right? And just pretend or act as if, right? Perfect. Okay. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Kelsey: Okay. Exactly. I love it.
Jamie: Yes. Good. And I think if everyone can practice that more, it’s going to be a game changer of like, can I put my circle, my current circumstances aside?
And what do I want to think on purpose? Right? And, and let yourself be delusional. I think a lot of people don’t let themselves be delusional because they’re afraid of failure, right? Or they’re afraid They’re afraid and like quote unquote failure. They’re afraid. Oh, well, what if it doesn’t happen? Then I will let myself down.
Right? And that’s, I think, why most people won’t let themselves stay in belief, but I think if it’s like, it’s just a game, no matter what. Right? And if you believe in manifestation, it’s going to happen eventually, then you don’t have to protect yourself by like staying. You know, and disbelief or something.
Um, that’s just what’s coming to mind for me as I was thinking about it [00:20:00] because Um, I see a lot of people like, well, I don’t want to believe it because what if it doesn’t happen then? Right? Then what? So, um, yeah. Okay. I want to talk about a little bit. You said your relationship with money has, is sacred and it has evolved over time.
Are you open to sharing how your relationship with money has evolved just in these past couple years?
Kelsey: Yes. Um. So, let’s see, where do you even start with that? I think the first thing was realizing that I am in control of money, money’s not in control of me. Or something else. It’s not just this happenstance like, Oh, hopefully I’ll get lucky and like, get some money or like that kind of thing.
It’s like, okay, if I decide I want to create this, I can. And so that has felt really good. It feels, um. Like I, I trust money now, like I trust it a lot. I trust myself with money a [00:21:00] lot. I used to have a really bad spending problem where like any dollar I would get, I would spend. Um, and so for a while I realized I wasn’t letting myself receive as much money as I wanted.
Cause I was scared. I was just going to spend it all again. And so I trust myself with it now. And I also trust money to stay with me. Even if I get to a point where I’m like, Oh, I feel like I spent too much. It just comes right back. And maybe not like the second after I spend it, but like. It replenishes itself, and so, I believe money wants to be with me, I believe Um, money is a tool, which I know, like my husband gets triggered when I say that, not anymore really, but like we’ve worked through it, but it truly is, it’s a tool and you can use it for whatever you want.
And so a lot of that came, like a lot of the work came with me believing that I was a really good person and like, I have a good heart and like, if I have a lot of money, like I’m going to use it for really good things. So it was a lot of like worthiness work for sure. A lot of safety work, like nervous system regulation.
Uh, when I think of money, I [00:22:00] feel the feeling of stability. And so, especially with things like the economy and things like that, I just don’t even, it doesn’t determine how I feel about money or how I believe money. with me. Um, so I would just say like, it feels very solid and it feels very long lasting, like our relationship in life.
Jamie: Yeah. Did you have to put a lot of inner work into that or even outer work? Are there things that you also did in terms of, um, like looking at your money and stuff like that?
Kelsey: Yes. Um, the inner work was definitely, definitely, definitely the big part. And I remember so vividly I remember where I was standing in my house when I realized like I had hit the tipping point where it felt like I was doing a ton of work and there weren’t that many results and it was a struggle and it was hard but like I kept going and then all of a sudden it felt like the bucket like tipped over and it was just pouring out and finally I was like oh my gosh I’m here like I can see the results like it’s coming [00:23:00] like it’s pouring in and so that was really really special and really validating um but yeah like in terms of the outer work you Really becoming the person.
And this is still a work in progress. Like I just today set up accounting software because I was doing my money accounting stuff for my business, like with a spreadsheet. So it’s like taking steps every day where it’s like, okay, like. My money, like I want it to be organized. I want to have like clear bookkeeping so I can pay taxes because I can pay taxes.
Like, and I want to, so it’s all of that stuff. So yeah, looking at it or, um, just like putting out all out in the open or like with the credit card, that thing, I kept paying off my credit card debt and then it would come right back. And so I realized, Oh, I need to like become a match to having no credit card and not be scared to spend cash and like kind of tracing down.
Or tracing back to where things were happening where I did have an external result that felt weird and then seeing like where in [00:24:00] me that like was being created from, um, and so like end of last year, mid last year, I paid off all my credit card debt and it stayed gone, but like before it was this weird cycle.
Um, so, yeah, it’s, it’s definitely like, mainly the inner work, but the outer work has been fun too.
I love
Jamie: that. I love that. Is there, within the work that we’ve done within either the Mastermind or the Money Manifestation Movement, is there a practice within there that’s been helpful or that you’ve leaned into around the inner work piece?
Kelsey: Yes, um, I think you touched on it really nicely earlier with the it is done practice.
Like that has been everything, like it’s done, like there’s no reason to question it or to doubt it or to dig it up or to get grumpy about it. Like it’s done. And so that just deciding like it’s done, it’s done, it’s done. Like there’s, there’s no way else that could work [00:25:00] out was really, really expansive for me.
Jamie: I love that. That’s, and that’s like your, your manifestation practice. So that’s awesome. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. I’d love to hear how you bring human design into all of this and into manifestation. Um, I’d love to hear about your human design and how you personally do that in your business. And then if you’re open to sharing, because you are, um, if anyone wants to know about human design, first of all, go to Kelsey, or if you’re in the money manifestation movement, Kelsey did a whole workshop on human design and how to use human design to make money.
So if you’re in there. Go watch it. It’s under the workshop replays, but Kelsey, are you open to sharing like how you as a projector have used human design and mix that with either manifestation or with the way that you’ve built your business [00:26:00] that’s been helpful?[00:27:00]
Totally.
Wow.
Yes. Oh[00:28:00]
my gosh. I have never heard human design described in that way or to use it in that way, right? Like I’ve always, I’ve used it in the opposite way, which also has been super helpful of like, Oh, here’s your strengths. Right. But I love that. You’re like, Oh, this is how you can look at like the open centers and see what the limiting beliefs are and it will help direct you to that.
That’s amazing. I’m like, it’s a whole new way of looking at a chart, which is so cool. That’s awesome. That’s amazing. So for people who aren’t aware of what human design is, how would you describe what it is? Just for someone who’s like, wait, what is this chart thing? Do you have a description of it? Mm[00:29:00]
hmm.[00:30:00]
Yeah.
Yes. Oh, my gosh. Yes. I love it. I love it. Um, so are you open to sharing some of the different design types and how each of the design types could use their energy to maybe magnetize clients or I don’t want to say manifest money because like you said, you’d probably have to look at a whole chart for that.
Um, unless, unless there’s a way that you can talk about that, but um, yeah, I would just love like, maybe just a little description of each of the different types. And um, we’ll link, let’s link up, I’ll link Kelsey’s website. So if you want to look up your chart, you’ll be able to look it up. You can look it [00:31:00] up on your website, right Kelsey?
Okay. Yeah. I’ll link it up. So yeah, if you’re listening and you’re like, I don’t know what type I am, I would go look it up and it will tell you I’m there. And then Kelsey will go through just a couple of the different types and how you can best use your energy.
Yep. I’m a generator.[00:32:00] [00:33:00]
Totally, totally, totally resonate a hundred percent.[00:34:00]
Yeah.[00:35:00] [00:36:00] [00:37:00] [00:38:00] [00:39:00]
I love that. Such a good description of each of those. It’s so awesome. So y’all, if you, if you don’t know your human design, you have to look it up and just like see if you resonate with what Kelsey said. And this is just like scratching the surface of what you can learn from human design, right? This is just very general.
So much more that you can dive into with your unique chart. Um, so yeah, Kelsey, I’m curious, like, if people want to do a deeper dive, how can they find out more? Is there, do you have options of working with you?
Yeah.[00:40:00] [00:41:00]
Yes, for sure. I know. And I love what you said in that so many designs you like. Oh, it feels like relief once you learn it. Cause you’re like, Oh, that makes sense. This is why this works for me. And this is why I’ve been trying to do this for so long. And it hasn’t been working. That’s at least been my experience.
And I’m a generator, which, you know, is the most common human design type, but even learning it for me, I was like. Oh, it just, [00:42:00] it’s kind of like reflecting for me. It’s been reflecting a lot of things that I already kind of know about myself, but it’s like, Oh, I can fully accept it. It makes sense. I understand why now.
So I highly recommend checking that out, checking Kelsey out. And, um, Kelsey’s workshop in the money manifestation movement. We always have, we have some really great workshop guests and, you know, she did one in that one was really insightful. super helpful. So if you’re in there, definitely go watch that too.
But Kelsey, oh my gosh, thank you for being here. Thank you for sharing your journey and congratulations on all your success. It’s been absolutely amazing witnessing your journey and watching you step into this. It is done energy and really trusting manifestation. And I think that’s made such a difference, right?
Because as you’ve trusted it, it’s like It’s just, you’re able to step more fully into it. Um, and yeah, Kelsey’s just, her business has taken [00:43:00] off. Her brand has taken off. I love seeing what you’re doing with the world. So thank you for coming and sharing with all of us.
Thank you, Kelsey.

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