From 2k Months to 25k Months her First Year of Motherhood with Whitney Uland

[00:00:00] Jamie Berman: So I have the most amazing treat for you today on this episode. I have my amazing client and dear friend, Whitney Uland here, who, Oh my gosh, I just can’t wait for you to share your story. Like Whitney came into the money manifestation movement about about a year ago. I think it was almost exactly a year ago.

And then about six months after upgraded into the mastermind. And your before and after story. Oh my gosh. I’m just so inspired. Like, I have witnessed Whitney really step into her power in more ways than just around money. Money has been one of them, but I feel like when you do work on your relationship with money, the ripple effect is so big in your life.

So I’m so excited to hear about your journey. I mean, I’ve witnessed you stepping into your power, making so much freaking money. It’s amazing. [00:01:00] You change your relationship with debt. Like it just feels like you seem like a different person than you were a year ago. Would you agree? 

[00:01:09] Whitney Uland: In some ways, right?

Around a hundred percent. 

[00:01:12] Jamie Berman: Yeah. Yeah. So I definitely want to like, interview you and dissect your brain and get all of the good thoughts and the juiciness and hear how you did it and all the things so that we can all borrow your amazing thoughts. And then I want to talk about your business too, because Whitney has such a cool and unique business where she helps people step into fame and like step into celebrity energy.

So first, can you tell us a little bit about that and what you do? And then I would love to ask 

[00:01:47] Whitney Uland: you all the things. Sure. Yes. So, thank you so much for having me. I’m so, I really do, I’m like, wow, it has been such a transformation. Um, and I didn’t think I would be here. But, yeah, I, so I [00:02:00] am a life coach for, um, people who want to be famous.

So, most of my clients are artists, creatives, influencers, um, creative entrepreneurs. So, anyone who wants to make a positive impact in the world and would benefit from having a large following or, uh, what I call their resource of fame, um, that’s That’s who I help. And I do that by creating, um, helping my clients create, uh, celebrity energy, which is basically the it factor.

And it’s what connects people to you so that they want to be, um, they want to pay you. They want to be part of whatever it is that you are selling or, you know, whatever, whatever it is that you’re creating. So, um, it’s a lot of fun. I honestly, I. I’m sure, I hope you feel the same way, but I feel like I have the best clients in the whole world.

Um, like the, the clients that I work with are all just amazing. So it’s, it’s a really fun. I love my business. It’s great. Yes, 

[00:02:49] Jamie Berman: and it’s working for you. The celebrity energy and stepping into it. It’s working for you Whitney. So I’m excited to talk about that. So I’m curious first. I want to [00:03:00] talk about energetic set points, right?

And we talk about this In my programs, which if you’re not familiar with it, it’s basically like the income level that you feel comfortable with and the energy that you feel comfortable with. So let’s talk about money first, because you’ve had such a big transformation around your relationship with money this year.

And I’m curious, what was your energetic set point, say one year ago?

[00:03:28] Whitney Uland: So, okay, so, and it’s interesting too, because when I joined your program, the movement, I had, I’d been in business for several years and I actually felt like I was in a pretty good place with business for a while, right? Like I was. doing, I would say what felt really good for me, like my minimum was like six K like absolute minimum.

But I was, I was averaging between like six and 12 K per month. And then I got pregnant and Jamie, that, that set point moved down to like 200. Like it just like, [00:04:00] and I think. You know, I had the belief, especially at the time and I didn’t join the movement until after my baby was born. And I had just gotten to a point where I was like, we got to figure something out because apparently, like, I think I had definitely just been like, well, I’m pregnant.

Like I just have a lot going on or whatever. And in really like digging through this work, I realized that really was a lot of blocks around being a mom and being a woman who makes money and is of. A fantastic mom. And so, um, it’s interesting, like I, I do think that like my set point definitely went down and like decreased because I had been on the autopilot and there just were so many, you know, programs running and what I had seen was possible was, and basically the story that you couldn’t be a good mom and make a lot of money and that I needed to be home with my child and I needed to, you know, all of those.

those limiting beliefs. But I think at the time that I joined, um, yeah, I feel like I was making like anywhere from 200. I think I had months where I didn’t make anything. And then maybe like three or 4, 000, but none of it was consistent. And it [00:05:00] just like all of it just felt really out of my control. 

[00:05:02] Jamie Berman: Yes.

Yes. I remember when you came in, you totally lost that belief that I can make money and felt like, I remember that was like, you felt like it was totally at the whim of like Whether someone signed up or not, and it just, there was no empowerment there, and that shifted fairly quickly. So, first tell me, where are you now, just one year later?

You were at like 200 a month, maybe. 

[00:05:26] Whitney Uland: Yeah. say if we’re looking like energetic set point, like minimum, I would say minimum 25, 000, but I’ve done more than that a few months as well, doing 35, 45, um, thousand as well. But I feel like I’m like, Oh, I could like close my eyes and sleep all month and still make that at least like 25.

Which is crazy considering where I was like one year 

[00:05:50] Jamie Berman: later, how amazing. So what I want to talk about is what were, what was it that you had, like, what were the shifts that [00:06:00] occurred that allowed this to happen that allowed you to go from 200, maybe a month, not feeling like. Your income was out of your control and there was a lot of worry and panic around it to now you’re just in this like very peaceful, like, of course I’m gonna make $20,000 minimum a month.

What were some of the things and some of the shifts that took place throughout the year that really contributed to you being able to do this now and be in this 

[00:06:27] Whitney Uland: place? Yeah, so there’s so many. Um, but there’s two that really stand out to me, and I think one of ’em was something that was like this, like I just feel like a gift you gave me before.

And this was really the kind of like this transformation that I had that empowered me to, to sign up and start working with you was that I had just never considered that making money. something you could just learn how to do. Like I just had always had this kind of belief that it was like for certain people or special people or people who had been born into wealth or whatever, instead [00:07:00] of thinking of it as just like a skill that I could learn.

And I think that that, like, again, I just had never considered. So when I signed up, it was just kind of this realization of like, Oh, that’s something that I could do. Then why don’t I do that? You know? And I think that that has really been something that I just continued to come back to is like anytime I feel stuck.

And then the second one that I would say is, um, something that you’ve really helped me with is just realizing that like my brain is just always. Maybe going to be afraid that I’m not going to make money. Like that’s just something that it does. That’s what our brains do. And I think just in realizing that pattern, it has given me a lot of space to then see it and to not think anything has gone wrong because it’s never the doubt that creates the lack of belief in making money.

It’s the like defeat. Defeatism. I don’t know if that’s a word, but like the defeatist attitude that comes with that, right. When it’s like you stop believing and then we’re like, Oh my God, now I can’t do it. And from that place, [00:08:00] then we stopped taking the aligned action and doing the things that generate money.

And so I think just, um, kind of that combination of being like, Oh, this is a skill that I can get good at. And my brain is always going to tell me that I’m going to run out of money. And just like how I thought that last time, I’m thinking that now and I got out last time. So I’m going to get out of that now as well.

So I think that both of those just like really empowered me to continue growing and like increasing, um, as I grow. 

[00:08:27] Jamie Berman: Yes. Right. Cause it’s not, like you said, it’s not the doubt. It’s just believing the doubt. But when you can understand that it’s just a pattern that your brain has, then it’s like, you can hold space for it.

Right. And like, let it be there, but not take it so seriously. And I think that’s the power of having a coach. Cause I know the same for me, whenever my coach can reflect like, Oh, Jamie, look, this is what you do. This is what you bring up every month. Like here we are, right? It’s kind of like when you’re on your cycle and it’s like, Oh, it’s this time of the month, right?

Like this is what happens. Same things with our [00:09:00] brain. And one of my favorite, um, quotes was by Jack Kornfield. And he said, enlightenment is just understanding your own neuroses, right? So it’s like when you can understand your own patterns, your own thoughts, that’s enlightenment. And that’s what you’ve done.

It’s like you’ve learned what your brain does and not make it a problem and learn how to work with it and look at what you’ve created from that. It’s so awesome. And I also want to touch on this, this, you know, that making money as a skill that anyone can learn that I wholeheartedly believe and of course teach y’all.

It’s like just something that most of us haven’t been taught. We aren’t taught this in school. Like people don’t tell us that this is a skill that you can learn and that it’s really important to work on your thoughts about money because it really impacts your bottom line in business. So I’m curious.

I’m going to just dig in and get curious with you. What do you think are some of the skills that you’ve mastered, [00:10:00] other than holding space for your, like, unconscious brain? But are there skills that you’ve learned or new thoughts that you’ve picked up that have really helped you in order to, like, make money?

[00:10:15] Whitney Uland: That’s a really good question. I think, um, the biggest thing that came up is also, I think this is like maybe the second month that I was in your program, but where we really worked on feeling first and really just like, I think that so much of this work does come down to your feelings and come down to, you know, what you’re feeling about like yourself and, and what you can create.

And so getting into the feeling of yourself. Thank you. Safety, I feel like has been such an important skill for me to because for me, you know, and money is a resource is the same as water as a resource, like something that we need to survive, right? So of course, when when that feels threatened, it makes sense that then our body kind of goes into that fight or flight mode and Stops having access to that creativity that where we actually can [00:11:00] create from and where we can put value into the world.

Um, and so I think for me, just being able to really master those feelings and be able to feel into what it would feel like first and what it feels like to have certainty, even in rough times, or even when, you know, every, there are doubts around or whatever. Um, I think that’s been a skill. And then also just like, I feel like you’ve, um, something I love about coaching with you is like, you’re so great at helping us.

Kind of see like our own genius and see our own, like what works for us. And so for me, it’s really about tapping into like my desires. And I really, like, I feel like as soon as I have a desire for something, I’m able to create the money for it, whether that is saving or an expense or, you know, whatever that is.

Um, I feel like being able to get really clear on that and clear on, you know, my own process, but also just, I feel like you’ve really helped me. Um, And it helps me feel so empowered to trust my desires and to trust myself. And like [00:12:00] that, honestly, like I feel like that level of trust is like what ultimately creates the money.

Yes. 

[00:12:07] Jamie Berman: Oh my gosh. Yes. And that kind of leads me into, I want to like dissect your moneymaking process or your manifestation process because I always talk about this and share that it’s like, there’s no one size fits all in terms of manifestation. So I give you all so many practices and ideas and thoughts and new things to try.

And then your opportunity is always to try it on and see what fits and see what works for you. And you’ve. your manifestation process. So I want to dive into what that is for you. And you touched on one thing was, you know, the feeling first. So another thing that we we’ve talked about in the movement is to find your money making emotion.

Like what is that feeling that you tap into that does allow you to make money? So do you know what your money making emotions 

[00:12:53] Whitney Uland: are? Yes. So my money making emotions are, um, the biggest one is, [00:13:00] Sturdy, which is such a funny like word. I’ve never really heard people talk about that before, um, in terms of making money, but I’ve used this, um, you know, example before, but I, my dream car has always been a Jeep Wrangler and I finally was able to get my dream car this year, um, which is so exciting.

Yes, exactly. And I really feel like it was. For me getting the car, like all of this kind of ties together is like what helps me make money is to think about when I’m in, in a Jeep and you hit like I’m in Los Angeles, right? So I hit potholes all the time and like being able to hit a pothole, but the car absorbs the shock, right?

So it’s like you can have a, have a, a, a big hit and you still feel safe. You still feel secure. You still feel sturdy. And to me, that’s the emotion that I have to lean into to make money, right? Where it’s like, again, it’s holding space for doubt. It’s holding space for an unexpected expense or, you know, whatever it is that life has thrown our way and just still being [00:14:00] able to hold space for the, the belief.

So I think that’s been a huge one. And then really just, um, being able to tap into desire. Like I think that that’s a big, a huge part of my process is getting really clear on my desires and getting clear on, you know, and I, I kind of like oscillate back and forth between big like longterm desires versus what do I want this?

week. How, what am I trying to call in this week? Um, in terms of money, but in terms of experiences and all of those things. And ultimately I feel like once I get in tune with my desires and I give myself permission to want those things, then it’s about tapping into that emotion of certainty and sturdy and, um, stability that like, even no matter what, if I’m hitting a pothole in life or whatever, then I can still create that desire.

Um, If that makes sense, that’s 

[00:14:50] Jamie Berman: so good. I love it. I love it. That is so good. And I love the analogy of the Jeep and just being able to picture that right [00:15:00] as like sturdy as the money making emotion. Cause I think a lot of us think it has to be like abundance or like feel magical and amazing all the time.

And if we don’t feel high vibe all the time, we can’t make money. And I’m like, no, like. That’s not true. Billionaires aren’t happy all the freaking time, right? So sturdy. It’s like, you just have to be sturdy. Totally. That’s so good. And then tapping into your desires. I love that. I’m curious cause you’ve broken through a lot of upper limits this year.

Do you have something that helps you with that? Like, let’s say we were gonna like, do a little fun challenge for next month, and make more money than you’ve ever made. What feels like, like 50k or 60k? Something like that? What would feel like 

[00:15:47] Whitney Uland: a stretch? I’m going right, yeah, right now I’m kind of going back and forth between 60 and 80.

Um, I feel like, for me, I do actually feel the most, um, [00:16:00] I get the most desire when I go for a big stretch goal, and so even if I don’t fully hit that, that, it doesn’t knock me down to not hit a goal, if that makes sense, but the desire and the excitement of it is really helpful. Um, And, wait, what was the question?

I 

[00:16:16] Jamie Berman: the question was, yeah, that was it. I was like, what’s, what would be like your, because we work through, that’s what we’re working through in the Soulful Six Figure Mastermind, which Whitney’s in, is we’re working on upper limits this month. And so the question was just what would feel like you’re busting through the next limit.

So then my question is, Do you have another practice or process that helps you in terms of upper limits and working through like the next thing? Is there anything else besides the desire piece and really getting into that sturdy energy? Is there anything else that helps or maybe not? I’m 

[00:16:53] Whitney Uland: just curious.

Yeah. No, absolutely. I mean, I think it’s, and part of the reason I think for me that I love those like [00:17:00] high, like big stretch goals, um, is for me, I’m just a dreamer, right? Like I, I’m an artist as well, filmmaker, like, so I think that that’s what’s exciting to me, but also part of the reason that I like that is because it really challenges my identity and it challenges me to like make transformation in the fastest way possible.

So I think for me, it’s also about like what I’m kind of working on right now is feeling into those like 60 to 80 K months, right? Like that 83 would be a million dollars in a year. And just realizing that like that to me has a lot of weight and a lot of like identity wrapped up into it. Um, but even as far as like, I mean, I’ll just share this in case it’s helpful for anyone on the podcast, especially when we’re talking about like having, being in like a high vibe energy or whatever over this last year, not only was I going like first year of being a mom, but I’m also going through a divorce.

And like, that’s just, been like so challenging and emotional and heavy and things like that. And yet, while I’ve been going through that has been like the, the most successful months of my business. Right. And so, [00:18:00] but I think that all of that, the reason I was able to do it was because I had figured out kind of this process of like leaning into my desire, getting into that emotion and also like really tackling the identity.

So at that point it was, can I be like a rich single mom, like my experience, you know, and I like grew up, my mom was. Divorce before she married my dad, but um like for her, you know, she was evicted from her home My sister was evicted from her home like both of them when they became single mothers and so for me It really was about challenging the narrative of like what does it look like to be a single mom and like can I bust through?

these These upper limits in that way. And so I think that’s kind of what’s next for me. And it’s been interesting. Like for me, I find the fastest changes when I attack the identity, which it also makes sense. That’s what I coach my clients on as well about like, you know, to become a celebrity, you have to step into that, um, the embody that identity.

But I really do think that when you attack the identity, that’s what kind of like transforms. All the areas of your [00:19:00] life because it challenges our sense of self. And so it kind of becomes this like ego death. You kind of have to like burn the ships, burn who you are in order to become that next version.

But instead of just focusing on a money goal or focusing on just, um, Whatever that is, whether it’s a follower account or, you know, any goal that you have, if instead you attack identity, it’s going to change all of the aspects of your life simultaneously. Um, and just really like, it will reveal very quickly where your blocks are.

So I feel like that’s kind of been my secret, um, Hack, 

[00:19:33] Jamie Berman: I guess if that makes sense. So good. So good. And that’s why I love coaching so much and going after something big that you’ve never created before because once you can do it in one area all the sudden you have the like Special key now, you’re like, oh I’ve changed my identity around money now like I know the path That means that I get to do things differently in this area as a single mom and I get to decide what my [00:20:00] identity is and it’s just got such a big ripple effect.

So I think it’s like, it’s so fun to have more money. Of course it is. It’s amazing, but there’s such a gift in like, starting and doing that work because the ripple effect is just massive. And I’ve seen that in you and it’s amazing. And it’s so inspiring. And one other thing that I really notice about you, Whitney, is you’re so coachable.

Like when I say that, I mean, everyone’s coachable, but what I mean is your brain is so coachable. It’s like you’re willing to change your thoughts. It’s like I noticed that you’re not like so grabbing on so tightly to an old identity or an old thought. You’re like, Because I’ve even mentioned things before.

I’m like, why don’t we give you a month to step into this new thought? You’re like, oh no, by next week, I got this. So I’m just curious. Do you have a thought that allows you to Or a belief, like what is it that allows you to take on new thoughts without some, [00:21:00] I just noticed you don’t have a lot of resistance to it.

Like you’ll just step into a new thought. You’ll decide what you want to believe and you go for it. Do you know? I don’t know if anyone’s asked you this. I’m just curious. Cause I love 

[00:21:11] Whitney Uland: it. That’s a really high compliment. So I appreciate that. And it’s funny because even at the beginning of this call, when you’re like, you’ve made these changes so quickly, I’m like, have I, it feels slow to me, but then.

I also just this morning when I was on the treadmill, I was doing this exercise kind of took, um, just show my brain what I’m capable of. And as I’m stepping into these new, new, um, this new identity of like being a millionaire, I’ve been looking back at, okay, what are some other things I didn’t believe that I could do and how did I get out of it?

And I do think that a lot of this, for me has just been I have so many reps in of coaching myself and having new identities and having new things. Um, that like, cause when I was thinking about it, I was like, let me think about something five years ago, 10 years ago, and that I didn’t think I could do. And now I did.

And I, when I was [00:22:00] thinking about the things from 10 years ago, I was like, Oh yeah. And then it took me a couple of years to be able to create this result. Whereas when I was thinking about, you know, a result recently, I was like, Oh yeah, that took me like three weeks to be able to, to create, right. So, um, but I am, I don’t know.

I mean, I maybe this is, um, not giving myself enough credit, but I do feel like I’ve been knocked around enough by life lately that it’s just kind of like, all right, we’ll keep going. And, you know, having just. So many identity shifts back to back about, you know, becoming a mom then becoming or being, being, you know, all of those things I do think has made my brain pretty malleable.

Um, and just kind of willing to be like, all right, well, I’ve done, I’ve done things in the past that blew my mind. So I can probably do that with this too. 

[00:22:44] Jamie Berman: I love that. And that’s sometimes the gift of going through hard. things. Like there is always, it builds character. There’s a gift in that, right? Because look at you now.

It’s like, Oh my God, if I could do that, shoot, I could do anything. And you believe it. And you believe in the power of your thoughts [00:23:00] and manifestation because you have so much evidence now. 

[00:23:03] Whitney Uland: So totally awesome. Yeah, and I kind of think like when you said like you’ve you’ve witnessed me become more empowered Like I think that’s kind of what it is, right?

It’s like not it’s like a combination of a belief in myself But also just a really deep belief in the process of how all of all of these things work And so kind of this um, and I feel like when you can rely not only on yourself, but also on some tools Then it’s like I I think the skill here. Maybe this is the answer is that I’m pretty good at holding space when I doubt.

So it’s like, and cause that’s where I really do think we get into a lot of like self sabotage or quit putting things out there. But I think now like the skill is just being like, okay, I didn’t think I could do this in the past. So I probably like, and I did, so I can probably do that again. If that makes sense.

Best skill you can learn 

[00:23:50] Jamie Berman: as an entrepreneur. Oh my god, right? 

[00:23:53] Whitney Uland: Yes, 100%. 

[00:23:56] Jamie Berman: Okay, I have one last question about money and then I want to move on to celebrity [00:24:00] energy. So, you completely transformed your relationship with debt and I think that really impacted your ability to create. Boatloads of money, because when you came into the movement, you had debt and you had a very, I don’t know how, how you would describe the relationship with it, but it, I wouldn’t say it was empowered.

It’s certainly not the calm that it is now. And then just knowing, so how did that, I’m just curious what shifted and how do you think about like, what did you think about debt before? What do you think about debt now?

Yeah, 

[00:24:37] Whitney Uland: that’s a good question. So I think, um. And it’s so fascinating because I love that you asked what’s the relationship changed because I’m like the amount of debt hasn’t shifted that much. Like I do think that, um, like I’m paying, but I also in the past I was like, am I going to get this debt payment on time?

And now I’m just like, yeah, I’m, I’m good. I feel like I know that I’ll be able to make the payments. I know that it’s going to [00:25:00] be paid off. Um, but I also know that it’s not a priority for me right now. And I think what shifted was that I felt like it needed to be a priority to pay. To pay. Um, and the reason that I felt that was coming from a lot of shame and coming from like, I’m this idea that I was bad with money and that for having debt, debt, I was a bad person and, or irresponsible or things like that, which, um, we don’t have to, we don’t have time to get into all the reasons that I had those thoughts, but I think that ultimately, What shifted was really just being able to shift from that into like a deep state of gratitude for the debt and especially looking at, okay, when, when and why did I take this debt on like it was when I was pregnant, like, and even almost kind of like taking a step back and being like, if I had a friend who was pregnant and they needed to use debt and like, Okay.

They were betting on themselves that in the future they could pay it off. I’d be like, good for you. Like pregnant women are so vulnerable. Of course you [00:26:00] needed that support, you know, and whether or not it was created when I was pregnant, I think just now when I make those payments, something that I really like to be, that’s been really helpful for me as I’m creating, you know, savings and then investments as well now is.

Thinking about money as like the money that I’m creating now is paying for my past, my present and my future. And so like just being able to think about like when I do make those debt payments, just in like gratitude and like gratitude for myself, for figuring out a way, right. And like making investments in my business and taking a bet on my.

self that, uh, that I would be able to make it back in the future. And so I think that it’s kind of now it feels like as I make those payments, it’s me having my own back, but just having my own back from, from my past self. And I do feel pretty confident that like, um, You and I have talked about this before where I’m like, I have no idea why, but in November, I’m paying all of it off.

And it’s so funny because like right now, I’m, [00:27:00] and it’s like 80, 000 of debt, and I’m just like, yeah, I don’t know, I’m just gonna pay it all in full in November. Um, and I don’t know why I think, I feel so confident about that, but I just… feel so certain about that, that I don’t feel pressure to like, hurry and pay it up now, pay it off now, or, you know, make these like crazy payments.

It’s just, um, and I think that part of it is just knowing that I’ll always be making money. And really, I feel like at the end of the day, that’s the biggest transition has just been this identity shift of being like, I’m a person who always knows how to make money. And it is, I’ve gotten to the point that it is like a faucet that I know how to turn on and like.

And so that’s what’s going to then at some point, I apparently in November, I guess we’ll see, uh, but it’s going to lead to me being able to pay that off. Um, whether or not, and, and letting go and all of that, I think just really released a lot of the shame around it, which yeah, changed my relationship with it.

A 

[00:27:55] Jamie Berman: hundred percent. I remember you stepping into that. Cause I remember we worked on a [00:28:00] month of like, just picking one thought you want to step into. And so for some reason, I’ll just. Side note, I don’t remember anything in my like outside life. Like I’ll watch a movie and I will forget it the next day. My husband will be like, we saw that movie.

I’m like, I never saw that movie. He’s like, we saw it together. I can’t remember anything. But when it comes to my clients, I literally remember everything. It’s insane. 

[00:28:23] Whitney Uland: So I remember months ago.

[00:28:27] Jamie Berman: And we were working on in the money manifestation movement. This was before you were in the mastermind and we were working on like, pick one thought that you want to believe by the end of the month. And yours was that I can create money. And I remember it didn’t take you long, but like when you stepped into that belief, that’s when things started to shift, you started making money.

Then, you know, you’ve started feeling more empowered. And then of course, when you believe that you can make money, why would you worry about that? Right? Like. You believe you can pay it off. So, so good. And you really have stepped into an identity of like, [00:29:00] I’m good with money, too. I’ve seen you do that, which is so amazing and what a difference.

And really, y’all, it is just a shift in your mind. Like, circumstances don’t have to change. This is a shift in your mind, and then it is the perfect example of this. Like, she just decided. No, even nothing changing. I’m just going to believe that I can create money like that. I know how to create money Practice that thought over and over and then started seeing the evidence of it.

So It’s so awesome, and you’re such an inspiration So thank you so much for sharing your story about that and about you know your transformation. It’s it’s totally incredible And I want to shift gears quickly and talk a little bit about what you do because I think it’s so cool and it’s so unique and if you are on TikTok or Instagram, go follow Whitney Huland because her uh Work is just so fun.

Her reels are amazing. Her tiktoks are [00:30:00] so good So tell me a little bit about celebrity energy and what it is and who can utilize 

[00:30:07] Whitney Uland: it Totally. So okay. So a little bit of like I guess The context of it is that I believe that fame is just like money. It’s a resource. It’s the resource of having people’s attention on you.

And once you have this resource of fame, then you can leverage it for things that you want, right? We see maybe like influencers or celebrities leveraging that for experiences or for fame or for premiere status or things like that. Um, but you can also leverage your fame, leverage the having people’s attention in order to, you know, change the world.

And so what I really believe and like what, who I help are people who have these really important missions and who want to get them out in the world. I really believe that the best, like in the past fame has been even, I, I believe it’s more taboo than money, right? Like we, we all kind of have talked about how, like, it’s taboo for women to say, you know, that they want to make money or for anyone really to say, I want to make [00:31:00] money.

Say I want to be famous is like even more like cringe and like no one wants to admit that right. So I have, I joke that it’s like my, my page is a safe space to admit that you do want to be famous. Um, and to use that resource for good and the way that we do this is exactly like how you create money, right?

You create the identity first. And so that identity is creating what I call celebrity energy. It’s kind of like the it factor, right? It’s um, You know, I always like to say, like, I live in Los Angeles and so I see celebrities all the time, but I was raised in a really, uh, religious home where I wasn’t allowed to watch television or, um, like read magazines, things like that.

So I never know who celebrities are. Um, but I can always tell that they are somebody, right. And they have that it factor, they have that magnetic pull. And so what I do is I help my clients to create that it factor so that in. Instead of just having the resource of fame, you’re creating, essentially you become the asset where people are drawn to you and they want to give, give you their time, give you their [00:32:00] attention and ultimately oftentimes their money.

So I’m just really, but it, but it, um, sorry, I don’t know if this is like a longer, I could talk about this all day. I love it. Keep Yeah, but like if you think about like our primal brains, we’re really wired for survival and that means don’t upset your tribe, right? Don’t upset anyone and if you’re going to step out into like I like to think about the clients that I work with they’re stepping from like an artist to a celebrity or from an entrepreneur to creating an empire or to be a thought leader, right?

And there is And I’ll just to do that, you have to stand out in the world. And you have to say things that ultimately can be triggering to people, right? To stand up like, you know, whether that’s whether you’re a person of color or a woman or like, I’m a queer woman or things like that. And just to say, Defiantly, this is what’s important and this is what matters.

It really goes against all of our primal instincts. And, you know, furthermore, you think about like we’re wired to exist in a tribe of maybe 120 people. And suddenly, so like our brains are not [00:33:00] hardwired to, to be perceived by millions of people online. Right. Which is ultimately what, what fame is. And so the work that I do is really just about creating that safety being seen in massive ways and creating that really, um.

I’m sure that anyone who’s listening to this, you have your favorite, whether it’s an influencer or a coach or whatever, where there’s plenty of people shouting information online and they might even have big followings, but they’re not someone that you connect to. And that’s usually because they kind of have these.

blocks. And so if they just, if their page disappeared, you might not even know their name to go and follow them on the other platforms. And so really it’s about creating that it factor. So people are attached to you and care of what you have to say. Um, so it’s a lot of fun. I love it. I love that. 

[00:33:44] Jamie Berman: So the it factor starts with your identity is what you’re saying.

Yeah, 

[00:33:48] Whitney Uland: yeah, exactly. And it’s, it’s an, it’s an identity that you can step into that ultimately it’s, and it’s fun too, cause you can learn how to turn it on or turn it off. So like, um, if you, you know, want to be [00:34:00] perceived at certain times versus not, but we have to learn how to do it at those, those like really pivotal moments, right?

Like if you’re a celebrity and you don’t want to be recognized at the grocery store, you might choose to turn it off, but you might want to turn it on when you’re making a television appearance or, um, you’re, you know, on a podcast or you’re sharing your work on Tik TOK or things like that. So. 

[00:34:20] Jamie Berman: Totally. So I’m just curious, would you say this identity piece and this turning it on and off?

Is it a feeling or is it like a thought you’re stepping into? What is that? Like when you notice that shift because you can shift it on and off. What is it for you? 

[00:34:38] Whitney Uland: So, it’s like, at the most basic level, it’s really just safety. And it’s kind of, so one of the things that they say, I grew up as, or I, you know, came up as an actor, and one of the things that they say is they’re like, don’t ever act with a dog or a baby, because they’re gonna pull focus.

So if you’re on stage with a dog or a baby, no one is going to watch you. They’re just going to watch the dog and the baby because they’re so present that you can’t help but watch them. [00:35:00] And what happens is because we have these like primal instincts or whatever, our brains just energetically put walls up.

Um, because we think that we’re going to be under attack if we show up in these really vulnerable ways. So it’s a combination of course, of your thoughts and their feelings. Like that’s what the energy is, but it’s ultimately about, and like, I like to say, like, You know, being an entrepreneur, being an artist, it’s like a video game, right?

Where maybe there’s a different number of followers or a different money amount or whatever, but that number is going to keep growing if you want to keep growing. And if you want to continue building an audience. And so this, the process that I teach, you know, I worked with clients from, you know, if it’s a influencer, they’re at, they’re, they’re just starting out or they’re trying to hit that million mark.

And same with my, my, you know, entrepreneur clients, some of them are just getting started. Others are doing 250 K months. That kind of thing. And it really, the process is the same. I have a six step process that I teach people how to continue just like, um, up leveling and like, it’s like slaying the dragon at every single level kind of thing so that you can continue [00:36:00] like expanding your audience and create more and more safety so that eventually, um, you know, you’re able to hold space to be seen by, you know, like a mass, like an arena size of people.

So it just like keeps growing. So 

[00:36:13] Jamie Berman: it’s really fun. I love that. And that makes so much sense because as you know, I, I mean, I don’t coach, you know, famous people or celebrities or anything, but I mean, they’re, you know, growing into celebrities as, you know, entrepreneurs and everything. But I do notice one of the biggest.

It’s like, Oh, I want to grow my business to a million, but I don’t feel safe. I don’t feel safe of what’s going to be in the comments of what I’m going to see in the reviews and that kind of stuff. So it makes so much sense that stepping into celebrity energy is actually learning how to create safety.

That’s huge. I love that. I didn’t really recognize that piece, but I love it. That’s so good, 

[00:36:56] Whitney Uland: Whitney. Thank you. Yeah, no, it’s interesting. Like I do [00:37:00] think that the most common, and this is kind of why I’m so passionate about what I do is that like, you know, most people it’s like when we’re coaches or healers or whatever, or artists, You know, we have these important missions and they’re because we want to help heal the world and because these things have helped us heal.

And, and so we’re always thinking about other people, but that kind of then can become our downfall. Right. When it’s like, we’re thinking about, you know, like so many entrepreneurs, like their biggest fear is being canceled when having a Reddit thread written about them or whatever it is. Right. And so it’s about creating the safety so that you can continue showing up, um, at every level of your career.

Cause even like Taylor Swift, I was at the Taylor Swift concert the other night and there were people on their phones the entire time because. They didn’t care about Taylor Swift, right? Like there’s always going to be people that dissent to whatever it is you’re saying, but if you have that relationship to yourself and you have that identity and you have that safety, then you’ll be able to just continue growing and just continue like blowing your mind.

So it’s really fun. So good. 

[00:37:54] Jamie Berman: So. For anyone who wants to be able to [00:38:00] create safety as they grow, as they step into celebrity energy, where can they find you? 

[00:38:09] Whitney Uland: Um, probably actually, I think that when the, when this. When this podcast episode launches, it’s going to be around the same time. So definitely check me out on Tok.

But I think by the time this airs, my, I’m going to have a new YouTube channel. Um, and so my, my program is how to be famous with Whitney Uland. And so if you Google that or whatever, you can find my podcast, my YouTube channel, my programs, um, or just follow along on Tik 

[00:38:34] Jamie Berman: Go follow it all, all of you go follow it.

It’s. So good. Oh my God. Thank you, Whitney. It’s so good. I’ll put all of this in the show notes too, so that if anyone wants to connect with Whitney, you can go down to the show notes, check her out. Thank you so much for being here, for sharing all of your inspiring stories, your thoughts, what you do. It’s just so awesome.

And thank you [00:39:00] for having been in my world and having me as your coach. It’s been amazing. 

[00:39:05] Whitney Uland: Thank you. I’m just so grateful for you and thank you for having me. Yeah.