Emotional Capacity: The Missing Key to Receiving More with Sarah Trapkus

Ep. 135 // Sarah Trapkus

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[00:00:05] Jamie: Welcome everyone back to the podcast. I have a super special guest. It is a long time coming. I can’t believe this is my first time having her on the podcast. I have Sarah Trapkus, who is a dear friend and dear. I don’t know, just. Soul that I was lucky enough to meet at Coach Certification back in 2019. We connected instantly and through the years it’s just been amazing to be on.

[00:00:36] I feel like we’ve both been on a growth journey together. Sarah has personally coached me and really helped me. Spanned in a huge way through the years and has just always been such a beautiful support. And I think that’s one of your zone of geniuses, Sarah, is you’re just so loving, so supportive, so caring, and I just feel your love all the time.

[00:01:00] And on top of that, you are a genius at emotional and energy work like that. Side of the human experience. You have dialed, you have extensive experience in it, and you’re extremely intuitive. You’ve called many things that have happened in my life, so I wanted to have you on the podcast to come and talk more about this, right?

[00:01:23] Because it’s such a huge part of. The human experience and the creation process and manifesting and being a CEO, if we can tap into this superpower that you are so zoned in on, magic happens. So I just wanna dive into that conversation today with you. I have so many questions for you, so welcome to the podcast.

[00:01:47] Sarah: Oh my goodness. Thank you.

[00:01:49] Jamie: Yes.

[00:01:51] Sarah: introduction.

[00:01:52] Jamie: my God.

[00:01:53] Sarah: so honored to be here, um, to get, to share my passion and, and love of this work, my purpose in the world. Um, so thank you. That just feels so wonderful and

[00:02:08] Jamie: Oh my goodness. So what I wanna know first, ’cause I don’t think I’ve ever asked you this, is just what drew you towards this work, this purpose, this passion of like, I guess if we were to sum it up, energy work, emotions. Or maybe how would you describe it and then what drew you to it?

[00:02:29] Sarah: Yeah. Um, first of all, it says network is struggling.

[00:02:33] Jamie: Yeah. Hmm.

[00:02:35] Sarah: that something I can, um, troubleshoot?

[00:02:39] Jamie: It probably, I know right? A hundred percent. Um, let me look at it.

[00:02:48] Sarah: Okay,

[00:02:49] Jamie: Oh, yeah. Is do, how is your wifi? Do you have it?

[00:02:53] Sarah: my wifi.

[00:02:55] Jamie: Believe me. I know.

[00:02:56] Sarah: I mean it.

[00:02:57] Jamie: I live on a tropical island and I’m dealing with the same thing.

[00:03:01] Sarah: So like it’s on my 5G and it and it, my internet isn’t popping.

[00:03:07] Jamie: Oh, now it’s frozen.

[00:03:10] Sarah: hold on. Okay. I’m back.

[00:03:14] Jamie: Okay. Yeah, it doesn’t say anything. It froze for a sec though.

[00:03:18] Sarah: because I clicked on my internet and it like went

[00:03:20] Jamie: Oh, okay.

[00:03:21] Sarah: I just back,

[00:03:22] Jamie: Okay.

[00:03:23] Sarah: it says it on your, on this platform, but it

[00:03:26] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:03:27] Sarah: it on my. Usually it pops up on my computer

[00:03:30] Jamie: Okay. Yeah, it’s okay. We’ll just keep going because you know what, we’re just doing audio too, so I think it’s gonna, it’s gonna capture it.

[00:03:39] Sarah: okay.

[00:03:39] Jamie: Yep. Do you want me to re-say the question?

[00:03:43] Sarah: Yeah. Thank you.

[00:03:44] Jamie: So the first thing that I would love to know is what drew you towards this work? Like why, why is this your passion? And also, I guess, how would you describe the work that you do around energy and emotions?

[00:03:59] So that’s kind of two questions.

[00:04:01] Sarah: Yeah, thank you. And I probably have at least two answers to

[00:04:04] Jamie: Good.

[00:04:05] Sarah: um, 10 years ago when I was pregnant with my third child, I was in therapy really because I was so dissatisfied in my relationship with my children’s father. I was over-functioning, I was homeschooling. Um, and so I was in therapy and the therapist named for me. I had C-P-T-S-D, I had complex, uh, post-traumatic stress disorder. Um, I started drinking alcohol and smoking pot when I was 12 years old because I had so much terror in my system. my father was not around. He, my parents divorced when I was four. My mom moved me and one of my siblings. A handful of hours away.

[00:04:50] I didn’t see my dad much. I definitely didn’t have regular contact with him. We call that abandonment.

[00:04:56] Jamie: Right.

[00:04:56] Sarah: Um, and then my mom who raised me was undiagnosed bipolar and she self-medicated through alcohol. Um, and she was often gone. So at 12 years old I was often home alone. Overnight. Um, you know, this was before cell phones, so I didn’t know where she was or when she would come back.

[00:05:17] And, and there just wasn’t this stable, consistent presence in my life to reflect me back to me. So I learned early on how to numb, my felt experience, how to. my body so that I could function. Um, like many high functioning people, and I’m actually gonna talk about this in a little

[00:05:44] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:05:46] Sarah: I learned how to use and achievement as a way to feel valuable and worthy.

[00:05:55] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:05:55] Sarah: I continued to drink, I continued to use cannabis, um, and I continued to project all that unconscious pain out into my life and attract relationships and circumstances that weren’t aligned to who I truly am. So I’m sat in the therapy office 10 years ago, and I get this, I get this reflected back to me like, you have C-P-T-S-D, and what she said after that was, whatever you’re doing is working. And what I had been doing was this deep emotional healing work. So 15 years ago, so, so about five years previous before I became a mom, I saw in my local area that there was this class being offered like on a Saturday afternoon. It was, um, introduction to Shamanic Journey work. And the way that the teacher presented the class was get access to any answer you will ever need.

[00:06:58] And to me that just, that just landed in me. Like we all know, I think intellectually like, or intuitively, that the answers are always inside

[00:07:06] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:07:06] Sarah: we hear that, especially as coaches in the

[00:07:09] Jamie: Yep.

[00:07:10] Sarah: development world. Like the answers are within you. The answers are within you. And I think. me, that meant freedom.

[00:07:17] And freedom was one of my top values. And so I was just so drawn to this class. I signed up for it. I was also at a point in my life where the resisting and avoiding of all this really intense energy, AKA traumas in my body was not working. And I knew that becoming a mom was only gonna exasperate, you know, I, that those two things weren’t gonna work, and I, and I needed to. I needed a way through. I took this class, I signed up for her 10 month Shamanic practitioner certification course. And yeah, I learned the tools of the shaman. I was, um, for, I should say that Michael, my teacher Michael, she studied, um, one of the first female shamans of the Nepali, um, Tamang tradition.

[00:08:11] And, um, her name. Amma, um, Amma Babo, and she was one of the, uh, 13 indigenous grandmothers of the International Council. has recently passed, but that’s, that’s who my teacher trained was. She let, she lived in, um, she lived in Nepal for 20 years, and so she brought this work to my small community in northern California.

[00:08:34] I took her course and I learned a lot about that, that lineage. But what really happened is that I remembered. I remembered that there’s an entire world that we get to access that has so much wisdom and information for us about this three-dimensional reality. So shamanic journey work bridges that gap between dimensions and, and I was able to use that tool. To do the emotional healing work that I needed to do to come back into my body and to reconcile all the parts and to show up as the human and the mom and the partner and the

[00:09:22] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:09:23] Sarah: that I truly wanted to be. So that’s, my, that’s, that’s how it came to me. I feel like I was gifted. ability to learn how to work with the emotions in my body, ak the energy in my body through this remembering of this

[00:09:43] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:09:44] Sarah: Um, and that’s what my therapist was referring to.

[00:09:48] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:09:49] Sarah: you’re doing, it’s

[00:09:50] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:09:52] Sarah: Um, five years ago, so I was kind of doing this like undercover under

[00:09:58] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:09:58] Sarah: in secret by myself. This was my own like big. Practice that I was doing, this is my big experiment. Like, does this work? Does this work? And I was like, it must be because the feedback I’m getting is like, this is working.

[00:10:12] Um, and about five years ago after I became a certified coach, started sharing this with other coaches. I was like, do you guys wanna learn about emotional processing? Like in this way? And I didn’t. I had no. I’m like, is this gonna work for anyone

[00:10:23] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:10:25] Sarah: Well, it

[00:10:25] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:10:27] Sarah: Um, and so that really is what. Brought me to where I am today with like the, just the level of passion and certainty and just like, this is what I’m here for, this is, this is what I do and this is why it’s so important. Because I truly believe that all of us can heal emotions and that brings us back into our bodies.

[00:10:53] Jamie: So when you say that journey work or that work, can you give listeners an insight into, or maybe an example of what that could look like? Because people might say, wait, I’ve heard of all these things.

[00:11:08] Sarah: Mm-hmm.

[00:11:09] Jamie: these, you know, I’m just interested, what does this actually look like? What is this? What is journey work?

[00:11:16] And I know you described it as kind of merging the physical, you know the world. But is this a meditation practice? Is this a combination of things that you do?

[00:11:30] Sarah: Yeah, the, what I do and what I train coaches in now, um, with my emotional healing, um, emotional alchemy certification program, it is a whole body of work. But for the person who’s like, what is this, the most accurate way I could describe is it’s, it’s like guided meditation, So when we’re in a meditative state, we are dropped out of our, um. certainly invited to drop out of the reptilian brain, the activated parts of our brain that are, you know, maybe responding to trauma in the body, fight or flight, freeze fond responses. And we’re also invited to drop out of the cognitive brain. Right. And, and, and meditation. We’re invited to be in the present moment to ground in right here turn on our senses, right?

[00:12:21] So it’s, it’s something that. Most, if not all of your listeners have experienced. But it’s that space when you’re out of your mind, your thinking mind, and you’re in your body and in you’re that place of presence that other doorways open up. And so a lot of people who offer facilitate guided meditation take you on, you know, these journeys into these places. I want to let people know that you can go in and journey on anything, like you can turn any meditation a way to find the answer or a way to understand and meet any emotion. That’s, the, that’s the journey and. Like I said, the actual skillset and what is included in that as a practitioner is more

[00:13:24] Jamie: Totally, totally beautiful. What, what do you wish people knew about emotions that maybe they don’t or something that you’ve learned in this work that has opened and expanded your world?

[00:13:40] Sarah: I have so much to say. I think. I want people to remember, ’cause I think everyone knows this, we just forget, is that aren’t the problem. They never, they not, no emotion is a problem. It’s our automatic resistance to feeling it. That becomes the problem. What so many people think emo an emotion is, or how it feels is actually their resistance to it.

[00:14:11] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:14:12] Sarah: Right. Because once we actually allow ourselves to feel the emotion, first of all, feeling the sensation of it, right? It’s been scientifically proven. We

[00:14:21] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:14:21] Sarah: 92nd, like when you actually just let yourself feel it like energy in your body and let it move through, it happens very quickly. It’s, it’s, it’s not painful.

[00:14:31] It’s not as hard as our brain can tell us it can be. My work takes it a lot deeper into actually meeting what I call the energy body of emotion. And is, this is important for people like me who have experienced trauma and trauma is stuck in the body and wanna, we wanna work that through. So trauma that’s stuck in the body has an emotional component.

[00:14:59] Emotions that are stuck, emotions that haven’t been felt, emotions that, um. Are connected to the parts of us who experience the trauma. So in my work, it goes beyond just feeling the sensation. It goes to meeting the energy body of emotion. This is where the journey work slash the meditation work is so powerful because we bring our mind’s eye. To our bodies and we see, we sense, we hear, we know, we feel what that energy body of emotion is and have a conversation with it where it sh tells us, it shows us what it is. Why is it here, does it need? And when we bring presence to anything energy, it can shift.

[00:15:50] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:15:52] Sarah: So I know I just said a lot like, what do I want people to know about emotions?

[00:15:56] It’s, it’s all of that. It’s that it’s not, the emotion isn’t the problem, it’s the resistance to

[00:16:00] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:16:01] Sarah: That we all have the ability to, to allow an emotion to move through, that they’re doorways and they’re doorways into more of who you truly are.

[00:16:15] Jamie: Yeah. What’s on the other side of this? What have you witnessed within yourself, within your clients, your, the practitioners that you train around this?

[00:16:26] Sarah: Yeah.

[00:16:27] Jamie: it open up when people learn this work?

[00:16:30] Sarah: Yeah, so much,

[00:16:33] Jamie: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:16:35] Sarah: life force energy and it, that happens in a couple different reasons. First of all, the amount of energy it takes to resist an emotion is energy You’re not using to actually move, into the life. That you’re here to create,

[00:16:49] Jamie: Yep.

[00:16:50] Sarah: you talked about like the creative aspect of emotions, um, also you access the quality of life force energy that is aligned to you. So when you meet, when you stop using your energy to resist an emotion or avoid an emotion or whatever you wanna call it, you meet with it, you get that energy back. Plus this, this emotion that’s been stuck and emotion is energy in motion or stuck emotion as it’s not in motion. It’s just stuck. It starts to move and it starts to reveal what it wants to be,

[00:17:24] Jamie: Hmm.

[00:17:26] Sarah: what it wants to be in service to, to you,

[00:17:29] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:17:29] Sarah: we all, we have desires, we are wired to grow, evolve, and expand. And so there is a part of our consciousness that is. That is aiming to be at a higher frequency level. Like think about what you strive for, whether it’s a financial goal, whether it’s, um, a lifestyle goal, whether it’s a relationship goal, like whatever it is.

[00:17:53] We have our, we have our sites on and the energy in our body wants to align to that. And so when we meet with it, we give it the opportunity to shift into that level of consciousness, into that frequency. So that’s one thing that’s on the other

[00:18:16] Jamie: Yes.

[00:18:19] Sarah: Another thing that’s on the other side of it that has to do with allowing that, that quality of energy to move through you is that that becomes your essence. So then you have this whole energetic signature that’s more of you, and you have the capacity for it. And so the way you express yourself, the way you create, the way that life aligns

[00:18:42] Jamie: Yeah,

[00:18:44] Sarah: becomes more

[00:18:46] Jamie: totally.

[00:18:48] Sarah: And then you’re just not trying to constantly reconcile these emotions that you’re not willing to feel.

[00:18:58] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:18:59] Sarah: It’s such a distraction.

[00:19:02] Jamie: Exhausting. Yeah. So it’s like a process of creation or manifestation as you do that. But the difference is I think a lot of people. This was me included for many years. But of course in my evolution I’ve shifted the way that I have created. But it’s like manifestation used to be a form of control or like that part of you that said, I was really ambitious, I was really driven, I really wanted to achieve, and we were using some of the tools of manifestation to try and control, to try and almost resist these emotions so that we could feel better, have the thing.

[00:19:41] Get there. But this work is actually where you go. It, it’s a, it’s a different intention, right? And when you do it in this way, you actually open up what it is you really want. But it’s not a, in a control sense, it’s actually in an allowing, in a letting go. So can you speak a little bit to that and maybe.

[00:20:05] Like you said, the part of you that used to be that high achiever or maybe, you know, I have a lot of listeners that, and I know a lot of people that come into my world who they’re trying to manifest to control their life or to, to feel better. The intention behind it is to feel safe, but that process doesn’t feel good at all when that’s why you’re trying to do it, and it also doesn’t work.

[00:20:28] Like you will just keep hitting up against the same things over and over.

[00:20:31] Sarah: totally. Yeah. When we’re using striving to avoid what we’re currently feeling, it doesn’t

[00:20:40] Jamie: Yeah,

[00:20:41] Sarah: It doesn’t work. And I’m going to, I’m gonna reference a study

[00:20:46] Jamie: yeah.

[00:20:46] Sarah: is fascinating. So. There was a study done of 400. They called them extraordinarily high

[00:20:55] Jamie: Mm-hmm.

[00:20:57] Sarah: and what they found is that 75% of these individuals had experienced an adverse childhood, had an adverse childhood experience.

[00:21:04] So they had experienced, uh, you know, abuse, extreme poverty, a loss of a parent, like that. We know, and, and I, I think we can all kind of see ourselves in this study, right?

[00:21:19] Jamie: Yep.

[00:21:21] Sarah: We know that these people are resilient, they’re brilliant and they’re brave, but underneath their, um, using achievement as a way to avoid pain, and, and this is done by. You stay really busy. You are constantly striving to feel better, which means you can’t actually ever feel joy or fulfillment or satisfaction. You are trying to get validation from producing something and having that like scene so that you feel worthy,

[00:22:00] Jamie: Yeah,

[00:22:00] Sarah: exhausting, which leads to burnout. So I call this the shadow side of achievement.

[00:22:08] Jamie: Mm-hmm.

[00:22:08] Sarah: And we’re all dancing in

[00:22:10] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:22:10] Sarah: Right. Especially like, hello, I’ve been an entrepreneur since, you know, for over 25

[00:22:15] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:22:16] Sarah: And we’re in the coaching industry like, you know, it’s like, a constant. of trial and error and regrouping and regrounding and

[00:22:26] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:22:26] Sarah: and, and, and, you know, doing that work. And it’s, um, it takes a lot of resilience. Um, I think though, specifically for your audience right here are people who are all entrepreneurs, are all in business. It’s important to recognize when, when we’re dancing in that shadow side of achievement. And notice if it’s because we’re avoiding what’s here,

[00:22:54] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:22:54] Sarah: what’s in our body. So for me it was anxiety if I just, I mean, I was so good at creating new businesses and throwing myself into it and like people be like, you’re amazing.

[00:23:08] This is wonderful, because that was easier than feeling this anxiety. But I was also totally separate from

[00:23:19] Jamie: Mm-hmm.

[00:23:20] Sarah: And this is what happens when you’re in this shadow side of achievement is that your body is activated, right? So your nervous system is activated. You’re never actually at a baseline state of integration and calm and groundedness. And when your nervous system is activated, you’re, you stay out of your body. So feeling emotions, it is like, it’s not even an option.

[00:23:50] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:23:50] Sarah: even

[00:23:51] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:23:51] Sarah: even in your experience. So it’s like this self, it just feeds itself. Um, I think what’s fascinating is that these individuals are the ones that higher coaches at the highest

[00:24:06] Jamie: Mm-hmm.

[00:24:08] Sarah: because they wanna keep striving. They wanna keep figuring it out. And this is why I think it’s, I’m so passionate about coaches having, um, these tools and their toolkit because once you just become the space where somebody feels safe enough to drop into their body, it can happen quickly. And in my experience, I’ll use my, my personal experience when I. Learned how to step out of that overachievement over functioning and be with myself and process through I mean, I spent years doing this work, processing through, processing through processing through, I reached a point where I felt like I was myself. And now it’s like upkeep,

[00:24:57] Jamie: Yeah. Yep. Yep.

[00:25:00] Sarah: Um. Being myself is the most valuable thing I could ever experience. It is. It is. Nothing else matters. If I don’t feel okay in my own skin,

[00:25:14] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:25:16] Sarah: if I don’t feel like the decisions I make are in alignment to my soul,

[00:25:21] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:25:21] Sarah: my heart, and what I’ve learned is that I can have that. And the quality and level of success that I want,

[00:25:32] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:25:36] Sarah: and I, I think it’s so important for us to be the example of this so that others know that that’s possible.

[00:25:43] Jamie: Yeah. So where does success come from for you now, if it’s not from that drive? Like how does that.

[00:25:53] Sarah: Yeah.

[00:25:54] Jamie: Become, how does that manifest for you differently now that you really, you’re in your body, you

[00:26:00] Sarah: Yeah.

[00:26:01] Jamie: are embodied?

[00:26:02] Sarah: Yes. Yeah. I am pulled and, and it’s a really potent lesson and trust that, first of all, what I desire and what I imagine for myself from a place of aligned truth is for me.

[00:26:25] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:26:26] Sarah: That the universe, life, God is, is co-creating that with me. That I don’t have to be the one to make it happen. I just need to do my part. And my part is paying attention to what is pulling me and what I am inspired to do moment to moment to

[00:26:48] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:26:52] Sarah: and also. To give myself permission to feel the frequency of success, fulfillment, satisfaction, love, pleasure, delight, connection, whatever it is right now. I think that is the most powerful skillset that has come out of being with all the emotions that I was so resistant to feeling for most of my life.

[00:27:24] Jamie: so what you’re saying is it’s expanded your capacity as a whole, holistically. So now it’s not that you can. Actually go in and experience what’s going on energetically with anxiety. And you can be with that and you can hold it and you can allow it. But it sounds like it also opened the door to beauty and expression and creativity and joy.

[00:27:49] Sarah: Absolutely.

[00:27:49] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:27:51] Sarah: Emotions. Like emotions are

[00:27:56] Jamie: Mm-hmm.

[00:27:58] Sarah: They’re just vibrating. The energy that makes up the emotion is just vibrating at the frequency that it’s at.

[00:28:04] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:28:07] Sarah: The story about that vibration and what then our brains name it, what we call an

[00:28:14] Jamie: Yep.

[00:28:15] Sarah: is what is what causes all the drama. What we make it mean, what the past experience has been with it, how it’s tied into, you know, something that happened that we made. Yeah. Like we made meaning out of, or it defined who we are, all, all of that.

[00:28:29] Jamie: Yep.

[00:28:31] Sarah: So if I am holding terror in my body,

[00:28:37] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:28:38] Sarah: was for a very long

[00:28:39] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:28:40] Sarah: because I didn’t think I was worthy, I wasn’t lovable. I wasn’t supported. No one cared about me that. So those were the stories that my child self created. Um, in order to make sense of my reality, in order to know that I am loved, supported, important and worthy, I had to allow myself to go to that lower frequency state of terror and be with that story and be with. Those parts of myself and have them integrate them in order to feel the level of the quality of the vibrational frequency of the emotions that I experience now. Right. So they, I brought my consciousness to it. They shifted into what I now am available for.

[00:29:39] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:29:39] Sarah: that is, that is the capacity piece.

[00:29:42] Jamie: Yep.

[00:29:43] Sarah: that we are willing to be with what we’ve been resisting,

[00:29:47] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:29:47] Sarah: our capacity grows to be with what we actually want.

[00:29:50] Jamie: Yes. Oh my gosh.

[00:29:53] Sarah: I mean, how many people reach a level of success and they freak out and they don’t even feel what they wanna

[00:30:01] Jamie: Oh yeah,

[00:30:02] Sarah: in that

[00:30:03] Jamie: totally been there. Guilty of it a hundred percent. And, and it’s actually. More disappointing than anything when you’re like, oh my God, I’ve been striving for this for so long, so long,

[00:30:19] Sarah: Yeah.

[00:30:20] Jamie: and I did it and I feel worse than before. Or I feel the same, or it didn’t give me what I thought it would. It is just so disappointing.

[00:30:28] And that’s actually what. Drove me to dive in and do this work is because I was like, ah, this ain’t it. Like just the physical manifestations, just the achievements. That’s not gonna give me what my heart desires.

[00:30:44] Sarah: yeah,

[00:30:45] Jamie: It’s not bad, it’s beautiful, but you have to be able to be connected to yourself as well. You have to, you know, be able, you wanna be able to experience the joy that you’re creating in your life.

[00:30:54] It’s a practice. Yeah. God, so powerful. So one question that I have for you that I know probably listeners are wondering is like, how do you feel whenever emotion is arising in the body? How do you tell the difference between expansion, discomfort

[00:31:14] Sarah: Mm-hmm.

[00:31:15] Jamie: and true misalignment?

[00:31:18] Sarah: Yeah.

[00:31:19] Jamie: Because I know a lot of people, like we hear this in manifestation, follow the joy, follow the good feelings, but sometimes in expansion also it activates and kicks up things that we have to move through in order to get to expansion.

[00:31:33] So it doesn’t always feel amazing when, at least in my experience, yeah.

[00:31:40] Sarah: Yeah. I mean, I think it’s like anything that’s worthy and true and aligned and hard at the same time, like being a parent,

[00:31:49] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:31:50] Sarah: right? Like I. New part of my desire was to be a

[00:31:56] Jamie: Mm-hmm.

[00:31:57] Sarah: blessed with three healthy

[00:31:59] Jamie: Hmm.

[00:32:00] Sarah: and it’s not always

[00:32:01] Jamie: Yeah,

[00:32:02] Sarah: But that doesn’t mean that I’m on the wrong path. So, so to get more, you know, it’s just important to like dissolve any ideas that it’s supposed to be easy all the time. It’s not, especially when our goals. Our desires are literally placed in us to grow us and

[00:32:24] Jamie: Mm-hmm.

[00:32:26] Sarah: The, the system will have growing pains. The brain is going to see anything that’s unfamiliar as unsafe, right? The body and the nervous system. Even if you’re expanding into something that’s healthy for you, that’s aligned to you, if it doesn’t have the capacity to hold it, it’s gonna get activated.

[00:32:47] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:32:48] Sarah: It doesn’t mean anything’s gone wrong. I think most people don’t give themselves enough credit for making the right choices. I actually think it’s really hard to screw up, and I think why we are stuck in this idea that it’s possible to make wrong decisions like so much of the time is because we don’t accept that having. Negative feelings or emotions in our body is actually just part of the process. We, we are so programmed to search for the easy, the feel good path to fulfillment, but we don’t get to fulfillment that way.

[00:33:35] We get it through trial and error, failure, struggle.

[00:33:39] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:33:40] Sarah: Right. So I think that question will actually start to fade away the more that people lean in and like not just accept, but like see anything that feels sticky and that feels res, that they’re resistant to as an opportunity to like all the way in,

[00:34:00] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:34:01] Sarah: right?

[00:34:02] Because that has information for

[00:34:05] Jamie: Yep.

[00:34:06] Sarah: Those like, okay, so I am. I’m writing a book. I’ve been writing a book for three years. Okay. Like, talk about a process that is wrought with and like, am I making the right

[00:34:19] Jamie: Yep.

[00:34:20] Sarah: the right

[00:34:21] Jamie: Right, totally.

[00:34:22] Sarah: know that I’m meant to write

[00:34:23] Jamie: A hundred percent.

[00:34:25] Sarah: when, why I’m on the, I’m on the journey of

[00:34:27] Jamie: Yep.

[00:34:28] Sarah: And every time I reach like a place of like. Is this what I’m supposed to be doing? Am I making the right decision? I drop into my body and I meet the energy that’s present. And it always, like we talked about

[00:34:42] Jamie: Yep.

[00:34:43] Sarah: it’s always has a gift for

[00:34:45] Jamie: Yep.

[00:34:46] Sarah: It always has a, a piece of wisdom, a part of self, it always and releases and liberates me from, it’s it, but I have to.

[00:35:01] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:35:01] Sarah: present with it and I have to allow it

[00:35:05] Jamie: Yeah. Yep.

[00:35:06] Sarah: So think if more of us did that, we wouldn’t be stuck in the question of how do I know if this is the right

[00:35:15] Jamie: Yep.

[00:35:16] Sarah: Because the answers are always right here, right?

[00:35:21] Jamie: it’s true.

[00:35:22] Sarah: I also wanna say that you’ve also explained this so beautifully on your podcast, and it, it, we can, we can say it’s, you know, are you feeling pulled or do you feel like you have to push through?

[00:35:32] Is there, is there any part that’s pulling

[00:35:34] Jamie: yep,

[00:35:34] Sarah: when you imagine yourself having this or doing this, do you feel an expansion or do you feel a contraction? Right? So those are really beautiful, just like

[00:35:43] Jamie: Yep.

[00:35:44] Sarah: quick ways to do a little like energy check

[00:35:47] Jamie: Yeah. Yeah. Love that. Totally. And that’s been, I mean, my process this whole past year, and I would always have to check back in like, what does my heart want? What do I know? And that’s always the question, what do I know to be true? Am I supposed, you know, and that you will instantly get the answer, but just because you’re going through it or there’s obstacles or challenges.

[00:36:07] You know, it’s like that’s part of the journey. Okay. You didn’t expect that part. You didn’t expect it to take this long. But if you drop in, you know, you always know. Yeah. So good. And sometimes there are, I also, you know, do like to mention that there are times for completion and you’ll know, you know, where it’s, you know, it’s also okay to say, I’m done with this.

[00:36:31] I’m complete, this is over, this was a season so. Yeah, so good. Oh my gosh, Sarah. So where, okay. I know a lot of listeners are gonna want to dive deeper into this work, or they just know intuitively this is the next thing for me, like this is my growing edge, is to dive deeper into myself. Or maybe they’re in that place where they feel like, God, I’ve been striving for many years, or I’m in burnout and I just.

[00:37:01] I wanna get to the place where I feel myself like you have, right? Where it’s like you, they’re just, they wanna be embodied. That’s the next step. That’s the next goal they wanna feel in their body. How can people, number one, find you? How can they work with you? And I’d love for you to touch on your, um, certification that you have for coaches or practitioners.

[00:37:26] Sarah: Yeah. Thank

[00:37:26] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:37:27] Sarah: Um, they can find me@sarahtrap.com. And right now I, there’s two ways to work with me. One is one-on-one in private

[00:37:38] Jamie: Yeah.

[00:37:38] Sarah: and the other is through the emotional alchemy certification program. And that is specifically for coaches who have hit the mindset ceiling. They know that there’s more, um, and it’s in the body, and they have clients who are showing up with emotional intensity and they just don’t feel. Equipped or confident to lead them through that, that journey of, um, just processing emotions, but really helping them transform, um, their emotional experience. So I help coaches do that through mentorship, and then I train them to do it so they can do it their own clients. Um, right now I don’t ha there’s, I don’t have any groups or anything like that going on, but I often, you know, I’ll do a workshop or I’ll, um. I try to give, you know, as much as I can. Right now, I am writing actually books,

[00:38:33] Jamie: Oh my gosh,

[00:38:34] Sarah: so when those come out, those are gonna be really

[00:38:36] Jamie: can’t wait.

[00:38:37] Sarah: Yeah, totally. Um, I’m also on Instagram at Sarah Trap as well, and, uh,

[00:38:43] Jamie: I love what you share there. So good. Yes. And everything you share is just, it’s value packed and filled with love and intention. And the one-on-one work that I did with you was so incredibly powerful that I vividly, and I think it’s a tribute to how deep you go in that work, but there are so many things that I uncovered through that work that still stick with me, like I have visuals.

[00:39:07] That still, and, and ways that you have kind of just painted a picture for me or helped me shift my perspective that have literally stayed with me still.

[00:39:19] Sarah: Yeah.

[00:39:19] Jamie: And so I just wanna thank you and you know, it’s a tribute to how powerful that work is. Um. So, yeah,

[00:39:27] Sarah: I’m

[00:39:28] Jamie: amazing to have you. Thank you, Sarah. Awesome. So go follow Sarah.

[00:39:32] You’ll love her. And, um, yeah, this is, this is some, some good stuff, some really deep work and it’s worth doing all right.

[00:39:42] Sarah: you, Jamie.